All the way from the UK, the lovely Zara Beth joined us for a chat about growing up disabled, navigating friendships, and finding her people through online communities. We talked about disability advocacy, Tourette’s camp, life with tics—and so much more. We could’ve chatted with Zara for hours, and we think you’ll feel the same way. 💜
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Maddy: This podcast is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nations. We pay our respects to the traditional custodians of this country and elders past and present. We extend our respects to any First Nations, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people joining us today.
Larissa: Welcome to today's episode of No Spoons to Give podcast where we explore life's ups and downs with neurodivergence, chronic illness and disability, and we chat with the voices that make our community so wonderful. I'm Larissa, head of community at Spoony, and I've got the lovely Maddy Ruskin in the studio with me today, our community manager. How are you, Maddy?
Maddy: I am good. I'm a little bit tired. We are-
Larissa: It's very early.
Maddy: Yes. It's 7:00 A.M. for anyone who's listening. It's 7:00 A.M. in the studio. We're doing a little bit of an earlier session because we have some very exciting international guests today.
Larissa: We do.
Maddy: But yes, my chronic illness does not like mornings, but I can't think of a better reason to be up early chatting to some wonderful people and getting to enjoy our time in the studio together.
Larissa: I will admit, it's my fault we're all here at 7:00 A.M. I lied and said I was a morning person, but evidently, I am not and I'm also struggling, but with enough coffee, hopefully we can do anything.
Maddy: Yeah, coffee makes anything possible.
Larissa: Absolutely. We just need it in an IV and we'll be sweet. I've got a recommendation for you today.
Maddy: Wonderful.
Larissa: I have got a podcast and it's from Ceri Sandford. We've worked with Ceri before through Spoony. She hosted a event on ADHD with us last year, which was an absolute hit. She has ADHD herself and she's an ADHD coach, and everything she does is so bright and colourful. And I remember in our event that we did with her, we ran over time because we both have ADHD and we were being a bit chaotic, but everyone in the comments was like, "Yes, keep going, queens. We love this." She just has the best energy. But anyway, her podcast is called Embrace Your ADHD Chaos. And I really love it because it's not about hacks or tips for managing or curing your ADHD, it's all about acceptance, embracing your chaos and learning to lean into it and be kinder to yourself. It's just like I love having it in my ears when I'm working and just listening to her beautiful words. Yeah, definitely recommend. Have you got a recommendation?
Maddy: I do. That sounds amazing. I love a neuro-affirming bit of advice and just take you on a journey. That sounds so good.
Larissa: It's great.
Maddy: I do have a recommendation. Can you guess what it might be?
Larissa: Is it a book?
Maddy: It is a book. It is a book. It's called Like a Charm by Elle McNicoll. It's a charming and exciting middle grade fiction book set in Edinburgh, and it's about a neurodivergent teen who discovers a world of magic and mystery and soon learns that she's the only one who can see it. The book is full of heart. It's also a quick read, so if you struggle with your attention span, it is definitely the book for you. And if you love a series, this is the very first in a series.
Larissa: That sounds great.
Maddy: Yeah, it was so much fun. I honestly just read it in an afternoon because-
Larissa: That sounds so lovely.
Maddy: It's so magical.
Larissa: Are we talking about magic, like Harry Potter magic that this person discovers?
Maddy: Yes. Like mythology and delves into the very interesting part of mythology that I feel Harry Potter did not go into. But yeah, I love learning about myths and legends and they really unpack that and also have more of a modern perspective on it too.
Larissa: Yeah, yeah.
Maddy: Which is very interesting.
Larissa: I love those reads. And this doesn't sound like a fully escapist read, but I love those reads where a little bit of your brain can just have that escape moment and think about magic and being in that world. Absolutely love that.
Maddy: Yeah. And I also just love how neuro-affirming it is and how it's because of her difference that she's able to really... Well, spoiler, save the world or try to save the world, and she's able to see the parts of the world that other people just totally gloss over.
Larissa: That's beautiful. I love that. Today, we are so excited to be chatting with the lovely Zara Beth all the way from the UK. Zara is a content creator, disability advocate and writer, and an amazing community builder who spends a lot of her time creating safe online spaces for the neurodivergent, queer and disabled community.
Maddy: We're big fans of Zara at Spoony. And when we say she creates beautiful, safe communities, we really mean it. Zara has brought people together in so many spaces online, YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, and Discord, just to name a few. And we think she does an amazing job keeping these communities warm, friendly, inclusive, and safe, something that we really value and strive for at Spoony. Welcome, Zara.
Zara Beth: Hey, thank you for having me.
Maddy: Thank you so much for joining us. So do you mind starting by telling us a little bit about yourself?
Zara Beth: Well, so I'm predominantly a content creator and I spend most of my time just making videos about my life as a disabled person, as a neurodivergent person, just sharing all of my hobbies. I have a lot of hobbies. I'm a really busy person. Yeah.
Larissa: That's awesome. And we love your content. I follow you on YouTube and TikTok, I love all of your vlogs. And yeah, as you just said, you have so many hobbies and you seem like such a creative person. What are some of your favourite hobbies and creative passions?
Zara Beth: One of my biggest hobbies has always been books. I love reading and writing. I'm writing a book at the minute, it's going to be published this year, which is really exciting. And I love everything that creative, like music. I play about five different instruments and I don't know whether it counts as a hobby, but travel at the moment is something I'm really getting into just finding accessible travel.
Larissa: Awesome.
Zara Beth: I just love anything being out in nature.
Larissa: Yeah, wonderful.
Maddy: Oh, that's so lovely.
Larissa: Are you able to share any information on the book just yet or too early?
Zara Beth: Yeah, it should be coming out just before summer this year. It's a book, it's a health memoir about me and my story and my life, and it's half memoir, half advice, everything I've learned from being a disabled person and growing up as a teenager who becomes disabled in school. So there's a lot about high school and college and how I adapted everything. Yeah, there's a lot that I haven't shared online before, so it's nerve wracking, but really exciting. Yeah. I've been working on it for quite a few years.
Larissa: Yeah, that'll be amazing when it comes out. I'm really excited to read that and get my hands on it.
Maddy: That's going to be absolutely fantastic. We love books by and about disabled authors here at Spoony. So I'm definitely going to be putting that on my priority list to read. That sounds fantastic.
Larissa: Yeah. It'll just help so many people in the community as well, particularly younger people who may not identify as disabled or have received a diagnosis. I want to chat to you a little bit about... I was reading some information about you the other day and you were talking about when you were 15, your symptoms got a little bit worse. What was it like growing up for you and navigating health challenges throughout high school and was it hard for you to find community?
Zara Beth: High school was definitely one of my hardest times. Pretty much most of my conditions developed and became a lot more severe around puberty, around age 13, 14, 15. So the prime time when I was in school. And it was really difficult because especially I was undiagnosed Autistic at the time, so I already found socialising difficult and then you add on health struggles into the mix, and I definitely feel like I could never keep up with the social cues of everybody and I didn't have the energy to keep up. So I feel like I did miss out on a lot because I didn't really have the disabled and neurodivergent community that I have now. So I found it really hard to fit in, but I think now I don't have to fit in and I think that's why it works nowadays.
Maddy: Yeah, I think that's such an important point that you raised about how it is so hard to find your community, especially when you're in high school because... Yeah, so I feel like I got sick when I was 15. So yeah, I struggled a lot with that too, and being able to find people who understand and support you, it felt like worlds away when you were 15 and I imagine 13, 14, 15, so hard. So yeah, amazing that you are able to create these beautiful communities where people can actually have that experience, that beautiful experience of having people who get it and aren't going to make you feel like you're completely an alien or any more than you already feel.
Larissa: It's already such a hard age too, without throwing anything else, like a diagnosis into the mix. I say to so many younger people, I have younger family members and sometimes it feels like your life really doesn't start until after high school. Because in high school you're just thrown into this mixing pot of people that you might not actually interact with in the outside world, but you're just forced to. Yeah, it's really hard.
Zara Beth: I think especially if you're neurodivergent, finding other people that are neurodivergent, it's more rare to find them. So if you're stuck in a classroom of 30 people, you're probably only going to get on with one of them and you might not be sat next to that person. So it's so difficult to pick out the really few people out of everyone that you're just forced to spend all of your hours with.
Larissa: Yeah, totally get that. Do you find you... Do you click more with other neurodivergent people?
Zara Beth: 100%. I don't think I have a neurotypical friend at the moment.
Larissa: I'm the same as someone who's ADHD and Autistic. I'm the exact same. And you also, you find each other as neurodivergent people as well.
Zara Beth: Yes. If I'm in a room or at an event or anything, I will find myself in the corner with the Autistic people. It's not intentional, it just happens.
Larissa: Yeah. It just gravitate towards one another.
Maddy: I love that so much. There's something so magical about being able to just gravitate to your people. It's so lovely. So we've talked a little bit about how you've created some really beautiful safe online communities. And I love how much consideration you put into these spaces, particularly when it comes to keeping them safe and inclusive. What made you decide to create these spaces?
Zara Beth: I really felt like there was a space missing for people to find other neurodivergent people, especially at a teenage age that I was in at the start when I first started making my content. I felt like it was so difficult to find the people who were like me and who were in a similar situation and could truly understand, and so my community grew from my content. It grew from me sharing my own story and then people saying, "Oh, that's me too. I can relate." And most of my friends, pretty much all of my best friends, my partner, everybody I have met through the online community, through my content and predominantly through my Discord server, that is where I found my people that I'm surrounded by every single day. Yeah.
Maddy: That is so wonderful. That is gorgeous. Being able to create such a beautiful community for so many people, but also for yourself. That is gorgeous and something that I didn't have in high school and I would've loved and you didn't have in high school, and I'm sure you would've loved. So yeah, you're really changing things for a lot of people.
Larissa: Definitely. I actually joined your Discord the other day and it was... I've never used Discord before, so apologies if I put something in the wrong chat. But I was looking around and I was like, the vibes here are just so kind and beautiful. And I can just tell how much effort you've put into creating this space and maintaining this space. And there were just so many beautiful little touch points. Honestly, I'll be back because I definitely... I just had the most amazing time there and it was so beautiful. Why do you think... I guess in this day and age, why do you think safe online spaces are so important and what's been the response from people joining your page?
Zara Beth: I think it's so important to have a space that is kind of moderated, that you know you're not going to get on the wrong side of the algorithm. Because when you post something online, you can very easily get on the wrong side of TikTok or the wrong side of the internet, and you get people who really don't understand. And I think it takes a lot of energy to explain yourself to people. So when you get on the wrong side of the internet, it can take so much energy and be so draining to constantly try and validate yourself and it can make you doubt yourself.
So I just wanted a space where you were never going to be questioned, and I think we have that. I think a lot of people find that... There's a lot of people who have similar interests in my Discord server. Everyone can just be themselves without necessarily having to focus on their health. They can just be accepted with their health and they can talk about whatever they want to, what they're doing about their day, gaming, everything. It's just nice to unmask and be yourself and not have to worry about people accommodating. They just do it.
Larissa: Yeah, I love that. Someone in our Spoony community, they left us some feedback and... Oh, what was it? It was something like, "I love this space because my health is the least interesting thing about me." And people just accept them for who they are and they can unmask without the whole just having to explain yourself and validate yourself. It's exhausting and totally agree with what you said about, particularly with changing algorithms and certain platforms, lowering moderation, it can be really... It's really dangerous and really scary and ending up on the wrong side of the algorithm can be a really awful thing to go through, and it feels like it's happening more and more.
Maddy: Yeah, it definitely does, which is a bit scary and makes online safe places even more special.
Larissa: You do such an amazing job of moderating and keeping these communities safe. Yeah, as I said before, when I joined I was like, wow, this is such a beautiful vibe, beautiful space. How do you keep these spaces safe? Do you do a lot of moderation or do you have a lot of people help out or?
Zara Beth: I have a team of moderators that I've built up over the years and a couple of admins, and they pretty much sort through all the comments. I focus on the content and the top level stuff. And then I have people who are in there every day pretty much all around the clock from different countries. And they block people, report people, they sort out all the arguments, anything that happens. We have someone that can be there and we also have a form of tickets that people can open and they can basically contact somebody and fill in all the information that they need and report it, and then we can properly get anything sorted that comes up.
So that if anyone has any worries or they don't feel safe because of something or they want something to be censored, we can actually acknowledge it and find a solution. We can find a solution that is good for everybody. And then for my social media, I block loads of words in my comments so that if comments do come up, they're automatically filtered out before I even have to look at them. And I think that's most helpful for me because I don't have to see a lot of the things that could build up and become quite hard to look at.
Maddy: So what do you think would be your favourite part about the neurodivergent, chronically ill and disabled communities, Zara? I know it's possibly hard to pick one thing, but I'm just so curious to hear your thoughts.
Zara Beth: Probably how quickly people accommodate without making you feel guilty or without you having to ask and feel like a burden. People just automatically offer you accommodations, and I go into any community and they're like, "Okay, so what access do you need? Do you need this? Do you need this?" And I'm like, "Wow. Yes, thank you." Usually it's such a big thing having to speak up and ask for things. And even if people say yes and they do accommodate you, it can be quite draining to have to explain everything at the start and be the person who needs to ask about it. It's just nice to have that automatically offered.
Maddy: I love that. It does make such a big difference and it... Like you said, it takes so much energy and a lot of courage to be able to ask for accommodations. Because like you said, it isn't a given. It's just something that... It's like an outlier. I do need this, but it's like I'm the only one who's asking about it and it's starting the conversation, which is so hard, which means the world when it's not like that in other spaces. So yeah, I completely agree.
Larissa: I love how... This is a shameless Spoony plug, but on our Spoony profiles, you can, if you want to, totally optional, but you can have your diagnosis and then there's also a section to put in your access needs as well. And some people love... For example, on mine, one of my access needs is like I might need quiet spaces or I do better in smaller groups. And if people know that from the get go, it also saves me having to explain it. But it's just such a nice way to start, I guess a friendship or a relationship with someone, just having that there. I love it.
Maddy: Think about how that would transform the world if everyone, not just on Spoony, but everyone everywhere had their access needs just there and available. I think, I hope it would make me a better friend just being able to know exactly what is the best way to help my friend enjoy the world and how I can make it a little bit easier. But yeah, maybe one day. We can hope.
Zara Beth: I think there's so many accommodations that could help even in normal everyday friendships, but it never quite comes up in conversation. It's hard to put it out there and it feels unnecessary, but when you do have that offered and you take the accommodation, it helps so much.
Larissa: Yeah.
Maddy: Absolutely.
Larissa: Absolutely. Even just little things too, like Maddy and I were having, we had a really big workday once and we were in an office. And we were just both a little bit frazzled and I went up and dimmed the light and we were both just like, "Oh, goodness, that's so much better." Just little things that can help so many people. Just little considerations. Particularly with people who are neurodivergent, I always think that a lot of accommodations that we make for neurodivergent people, they can also really benefit neurotypical people. Like having quiet spaces or low lighting, it benefits a lot of people, particularly in work and schools.
Maddy: Absolutely. You don't need to have those harsh fluorescent lights as a given. You can have some nice beautiful little lamps or something like that, not the big overhead light. I have been transformed by Larissa's dimming the lights and having the nice soft lighting.
Larissa: I love it. I hate the big light.
Zara Beth: Why doesn't everywhere have ambient lighting? That should be the normal. Who decided that fluorescent lights are okay?
Maddy: Someone neurotypical, I think.
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So Zara, I want to chat to you about the video of you on TikTok that has nearly 100 million views. It is a video of you experiencing tics whilst trying to get a COVID test. And I've watched this video so many times and every time I watch it, I just get this really overwhelming feeling of warmth and just loveliness from you. And it's so nice sitting here with you today because I get the exact same feeling and you just give us such a great vibe. I keep saying that and I'm sorry, but you honestly do.
Zara Beth: Thank you.
Larissa: And I was reading a lot of the comments on this video and I noticed, and I really loved how you use this experience to raise awareness of Tourette's and tics. Can you tell us a little bit more about this video and the response it got and what this was like for you?
Zara Beth: My life went crazy after that video. I think my content was already making an impact before then, but that was when it blew up and it was pretty much overnight that my life changed and content became a really big thing for me. I really didn't expect it to do as well as it did. I posted it and I thought the algorithm was making it flop at first. So I just went to sleep and then I woke up and it had 17 million views and that was absolutely crazy to me. I had never had anything like that. And then it just kept growing and growing and every single platform was picking it up.
And it was definitely intimidating because that's a lot of people. But I think it was just showing the side of Tourette's that people don't always see, the kind of struggle to do something really normal. A COVID test was something that everyone was doing at the time, but I didn't think that anyone would think about how having Tourette's could affect something as easy as a COVID test. It made it really difficult, but it was also funny. It's quite a funny video. It's entertaining, but it's also a struggle. I like the videos where you can get a little bit of both because not everything about Tourette's is bad, but not everything is good as well. And I like being able to show both sides.
Larissa: I think that video was a great example of that. Was the nurse your mom? Was it your mom in the video or-
Zara Beth: It's my mom. Yeah.
Larissa: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Zara Beth: Yeah. My mom doesn't really like being on video, but she was in that one and then I was like, "So it's kind of gone viral."
Larissa: How did she feel about that?
Zara Beth: She didn't really know how to feel. She was like, "Oh, my God, I could have put some makeup on or something."
Larissa: Oh, I love that.
Zara Beth: But yeah, so many comments were saying about how lovely the nurse was. But yeah, it was my mom. It was actually in school. We had to do COVID tests before we went back into our classrooms, so it was just in a little office in my school building. And I did actually get the COVID test done in the end.
Larissa: That's great.
Maddy: Oh, that's really good.
Larissa: I spend a lot of time on YouTube, and I really love your YouTube channel. I love your vlogs. In some of the videos you talk about some time that you've spent at Tourette's Camp and how special it is for you being in a safe space where you can unmask. Can you tell us a little bit more about these camps and I guess what it's like and what the experience is like for you?
Zara Beth: It's incredible. I love it. I first went, I think in 2022, so quite a few years ago, and I have been to one every single year since. The first time, I had not been with anybody in person who had Tourette's. So I'd never experienced being around another person that just understood. And I got dropped off. And at that one, your parents don't come with you. So I got dropped off in a room full of people with Tourette's, and I knew absolutely nobody, and I just had a weekend with them. And it's so incredible because in school, you're always the odd one out. So I was always the one person with tics. I was the one person that accidentally became the class clown.
Everybody found my tics funny, but I didn't have an option. Whereas when you're with so many people who all have the same thing, they're going through the exact same situation and they have so many stories that you can relate to. And every single tic, it just feels like breathing because everyone's doing the same thing. So even if I shout or scream as a tic, people don't really react. It's just normal. And I think it's the only place I've experienced that. It's the only place that I can truly feel normal and at home. And then you do really cool activities and they're all adapted, so you don't have to worry about being on a zip line and ticing and everything. It's really, really welcoming. It's such a great space.
Larissa: That sounds incredible. I love how you said it feels just like breathing. It just feels so normal to be there and just be able to totally unmask, that would be an incredible experience.
Maddy: Yeah.
Larissa: I wish the world was like that.
Zara Beth: Yeah. This is the problem though. Every time I come back out, I completely forget that other people don't think Tourette's is normal. And so I get on the train to go home and I'm like, oh, my God, people are reacting because I'm so used to just letting all the tics out. And then I come into normal space and I'm like, oh, my goodness, this is weird. But I have met some of my best friends at Tourette's Camps. I'm still really good friends with a lot of the people there. So yeah, I've made lifelong friends that I still talk to every single day.
Maddy: Oh, that's so wonderful. It makes such a big difference to find people who understand and yeah, understand your specific experience. But also all of the fun that comes with dealing with society who is not always as kind as they should be. I want to talk a little bit more about unmasking and how unmasking has been like for you and connecting with people who have a similar lived experience. So diving into that a little bit more. What do you think has been... What was the moment where you were like, I actually can unmask around these people?
Zara Beth: I think when I got my Autism diagnosis, that was the stepping stone that just pushed me to be like, "You can validate yourself now. It's okay. You can do it." It wasn't quick or easy. I thought that I would get my diagnosis and I'd be like, "Okay, I unmask now. This is how it works." And I still have to actively try and connect with myself because I'm so deeply rooted in people pleasing and trying to fit in that I sometimes accidentally find myself doing it and I have to catch it and be like, "Okay, you don't need to do that anymore. Just try and find what you like." But I think I had to start from scratch. I didn't even know what colour I liked because I was so used to just being the people that were around me so that I could fit in, and especially in school.
So it was so much freedom when I had a blank slate and I was like, oh, I can actually just do what I want to do. I can like the things that I want to like. And then when I reformed, I lost pretty much all my friends in the process, and I now have way better friends. I have friends who actually understand me, and they just let me be myself and encourage me to be myself. So it's so much more freeing. I don't have to worry about what they think because they just know me for being me.
Larissa: I love that so much. That's so beautiful.
Maddy: That's so wonderful.
Larissa: And I know a lot of people are in different parts of their journey with unmasking. And it's something like... I wouldn't even say I'm finished or quite there yet. It takes a long time, but it feels like a 2.0 version of yourself, and then you just... When you start finding other friends who get it and accept you as your authentic self, it's just such a beautiful feeling. I just love it. I have a final question for you, Zara. What would you say to 15-year-old Zara or any young person who's navigating a challenging diagnosis?
Zara Beth: It feels like the end of the world at the time. It feels like it flips every single thing upside down and everything changes. And I mean, to little me who absolutely hates change and doesn't know that she's Autistic and doesn't understand why she doesn't cope with things very well, I'd literally just say, "Give it time. And also you can find a new life." When you get a new diagnosis, it's so jarring because everything changes. Your whole trajectory turns to a place that you weren't aiming for. And even though it's different, it can be good. And I think that's something I have to remind myself of a lot because I've lost a lot of the things that I used to do. I used to be a very, very active person. I used to do cheerleading and dance and hiking and so many things, and I physically can't do those anymore.
And if I think about that and I think I want to be that person, I want to be the sporty person. I want to go to university and do all those things. If I think about that and focus on that, I feel like I've failed because I'm not there. But it's so freeing when you look and you think, "But I'm here." And it's different. It's a different place. Your life looks different and changes. It's not what you initially wanted, but it can still be so fulfilling. It can still be so good. Even if it's different, it can still be a really good life, and you just have to find and appreciate all the little things because they are there.
Maddy: That's such a beautiful answer. Thank you so much. There's just so much wisdom in that. And I know that that's going to really help a lot of people just because it helped me in the moment, and I've been chronically ill for 13 years. So yeah. Thank you.
Larissa: That's really beautiful.
Zara Beth: You're welcome.
Larissa: Thank you so much for joining us today, Zara. It's been amazing sitting down and chatting with you and meeting you virtually. I hope we all get to meet one day in person, if we ever come to the UK or you come to Australia.
Zara Beth: That'd be awesome.
Larissa: If people want to connect with you, where can they find you?
Zara Beth: They can find me, Zara Beth on pretty much any platform, zeezee25 on TikTok, still my old username. But yeah, we have a really great community and in all my link pages, I have links to my Discord community and it's just a really nice space. So everybody's welcome.
Larissa: Awesome. Thank you. And yeah, we'll definitely share that in the show notes and we'll keep an eye on when your book comes out and share that with our community. I'll definitely be reading it. We'll be ordering a few copies of the Spoony team, so can't wait for that.
Maddy: Thank you so much, Zara.
Zara Beth: You're welcome. It's lovely meeting you.
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